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The Love of Money Over People

Tue Nov 22, 2011 12:58 PM EST
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By cowboygrandpa
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Why do people love money over loving people ??  I mean I understand that we all need money in order to get the things we need to live on this earth.  I also understand that some people feel they have to have the very best in order to be satisfied with what they have. 

What I don't understand is how people can love the money and the things it can buy more than a living being. It seems to me they are placing the value of money above the value of a life !!!  The value of money fluctuates, and rises and falls based upon many factors.  The value of life is an absolute in my book.  It is not that I hate money, it is that all the money in the world will not buy my happiness or forgiveness.  So I guess I have trouble relating to people who see money as the cure all to the ills of the world-in that if they have money they will be happy and not have problems- it has never been my experience that the people with money have less problems.  It has been my experience that the people with money experience more problems.

I have found that they end up wondering who their real friends are because everybody wants something from them.  Their families don't seem as close, as they have plenty of money but little else except the desire to have more money.  I've seen people who have companies lose their families because the love of the dollar is so great, and I have to wonder why was it they wanted the money in the first place ??  Oh yeah so they could provide a better life for their family !! :~(( :~((

I've always wanted to earn money so I would have enough to share with others, because the money seems so worthless without seeing it put to work as the tool it should be used for.  To help build a better life, but not one focused on attaining wealth as a measuring rod.  Or gaining wealth to use it as a means of obtaining power over people, that is sick in my eyes. 

My needs on this earth are pretty basic, food, shelter, clothing and a way to get to work daily.  Everything else is a bonus to me, so I really don't understand the love of money over people.  I'm not playing dumb, nor am I trying to seem like I'm some really nice guy.  I have my faults that I'm praying will be taken from me.  It is just that I see so clearly the lunacy of loving wealth over people, that it is truly hard for me to understand how people can live like that. 

It seems to me that it is a basic deception that clouds their judgements and decisions in the rest of their life.  It just seems as if they actually worship the money and the things it can buy.

I'm reminded of the passage of the Bible that says-paraphrased- what good is gaining all the wealth of the world if one loses their soul to gain it, for this life is short and eternity is everlasting.  The wealth of this earth will burn and nothing will be left of it, but the treasures you have in heaven remain.

 

Now I have been accused of not liking conservatives because I think I'm better than them.  Nothing could be farther from the truth, I'm quite sure there are some conservatives out there that are fine people, the conservatives I don't like are greedy liars.  I'll tell ya a secret, I don't like liberals that are greedy liars either.  See I don't like people who think their greed makes it okay to treat other people like they are less valuable because they have less money.  I have never read where God judges a man or woman favorably by the wealth they have accumulated on earth, while treating His Creation as if they mattered less than them.  

They point to the passage that a good man leaves something for his grandchildren.  I agree, a good man does leave something for his grandchildren.  A good man leaves the example of his life for his grandchildren to see, he leaves them with the understanding that wealthdisappears but that the Love of Jesus Christ is forever when one accepts Him.  He leaves them with the wealth of the Love of God that cannot be stolen or does not depend upon men, and does not lose its value based upon the markets price.  A good man teaches his children and granchildren not to worry about the wealth of this world, because it can end in a second.  But the Love one has for God and those He Created is everlasting and that wealth is a treasure in heaven.

Please add your thoughts if you'd like.

It is alright if ya disagree with me, I'd still like to have your comments.  Just please remember not to atack the individual, disagree but allow each other to have the right to their opinion.

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cowboygrandpa

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They point to the passage that a good man leaves something for his grandchildren. I agree, a good man does leave something for his grandchildren. A good man leaves the example of his life for his grandchildren to see, he leaves them with the understanding that wealth disappears but that the Love of Jesus Christ is forever when one accepts Him. He leaves them with the wealth of the Love of God that cannot be stolen or does not depend upon men, and does not lose its value based upon the markets price. A good man teaches his children and granchildren not to worry about the wealth of this world, because it can end in a second. But the Love one has for God and those He Created is everlasting and that wealth is a treasure in heaven.

My ideas of wealth are different than that of those who love money

  • 8 votes
Reply#1 - Tue Nov 22, 2011 1:02 PM EST
mrsrachelm

Nicely done.

  • 5 votes
#1.1 - Tue Nov 22, 2011 2:24 PM EST
GaryColumbus

Greed is the root of all evil. So what do y'all think of tax cuts for the rich now?

  • 2 votes
#1.2 - Tue Nov 22, 2011 2:35 PM EST
cowboygrandpa

Gary:

#1.2

I have never agreed to the tax cuts for the wealthy alone. I think that the love of their money is shown by the very fact that they would try and fight so much to keep it and not invest it into opportunities for the less fortunates to have work to support themselves.

Wealth is not evil, coveting it is.

Put it to work as a blessing to others and watch how much more is gained.

  • 6 votes
#1.3 - Tue Nov 22, 2011 2:39 PM EST
mrsrachelm

Wealth is not evil, coveting it is.

True this.

Unfortunately I don't think many people recognize the difference. They see someone who is wealthy and automatically jump to negative conclusions about them. They do this mainly out of envy that that person has more than they do.

So who is actually coveting? The wealthy person or the person who thinks they should be given more, out of the wealthy person's coffers, out of some misguided sense of "fairness"? I think the one who is jealous of the wealthy person and expects/demands that some of that wealth be given them are the ones "coveting" and the ones showing an well developed sense of "greed".

  • 3 votes
#1.4 - Tue Nov 22, 2011 2:50 PM EST
katrix

mrsrachelm, I've seen plenty of that. I'm not wealthy, but I have a good job and live within my means. Some of my neighbors' cousins would make comments about how I "make the big bucks" and you could tell they were jealous (they had no idea how much I make, they just saw that I have a small house). Yet these are people who drink a 30 pack of beer a day, barely hold jobs because they're usually hungover, never do volunteer work, never try to learn anything new, and think anything more than $10 or $15 an hour is big bucks) ... they also accused their cousins (my neighbors) of "getting above their raising" because they were working hard to get ahead and maybe have a chance to send their kids to college. Both wealthy and non-wealthy people can be guilty of coveting.

I also think while it's important to give, I don't subscribe to the "give until it hurts" philosophy. I am going to make sure I can take care of myself and not donate so much to charity that if something happened to my job, I'd be out on the street. And I don't believe in a god so I couldn't care less about wealth in heaven - but I still agree that you can't take it with you.

Studies have shown that up to a certain point, having more money makes you happier (not just having the basics, but being able to take a vacation once in a while and do some fun stuff like that) but after that, it doesn't.

  • 5 votes
#1.5 - Tue Nov 22, 2011 3:15 PM EST
cowboygrandpa

#1.4

So who is actually coveting? The wealthy person or the person who thinks they should be given more, out of the wealthy person's coffers, out of some misguided sense of "fairness"? I think the one who is jealous of the wealthy person and expects/demands that some of that wealth be given them are the ones "coveting" and the ones showing an well developed sense of "greed".

Without knowing the individuals it would be hard to say that the wealthy covet more under the scenario you have proposed.

I hope I never seem to say that the lazy should be given from those who work hard for their gain. That is never my intent, I have little regard for people who are to lazy to work to support themselves of their families.

I am speaking of the people who do work hard and just can't make it because of the low wages and high prices. Not greedy, but truly needy like the mothers who hae children but are abandoned.

  • 4 votes
#1.6 - Tue Nov 22, 2011 3:17 PM EST
katrix

Or in my case, a neighbor's daughter - the father has turned into one of the lazy ones, and his daughter is putting herself through college, not drinking or doing drugs, and doing everything she should. But she still needs a little help now and then and I provide it to her (but not to her father). And she knows my only request in return is that she pay it forward if she's able to down the road. I think when you help someone who has a chance to better their lives because of it, asking them to pay it forward if they ever can is a good idea. Obviously, that isn't relevant when I organize a charity event or something like that, but sometimes it is.

  • 5 votes
#1.7 - Tue Nov 22, 2011 3:39 PM EST
proglib

Occupy love.

  • 5 votes
#1.8 - Tue Nov 22, 2011 4:41 PM EST
mrsrachelm

#1.8 That was meant to be touching and tug at the ole heart strings etc but ...newp. No Sale.

  • 1 vote
#1.9 - Wed Nov 23, 2011 1:27 AM EST
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hugh b

Here in the "God Blessed America" the marketing and advertising industry has made it so people believe they are defined by what they own rather than by who they are.

You have an entire society based on gluttonous consumption.

It is disgusting.

  • 6 votes
Reply#2 - Tue Nov 22, 2011 3:49 PM EST
Stevie-445471

So few people understand that with great wealth comes great responsibility. And that is something I don't think I am equipped to deal with.

  • 3 votes
Reply#3 - Tue Nov 22, 2011 4:34 PM EST
Dean Moriarty

Why would anyone be concerned what other people do with their money?

  • 3 votes
Reply#4 - Tue Nov 22, 2011 5:15 PM EST
tony1234

Good point. I don't care either. I have a couple of greedy friends and I understand that they enjoy putting their money in the bank as much as I enjoy spending it. I know they will die with a lot of money without ever going on vacation or buying a new car, but they will die happy nevertheless. Their offspring is going to take care of returning those savings to the economy. lol

  • 1 vote
#4.1 - Tue Nov 22, 2011 10:09 PM EST
Stevie-445471

Didn't some famous person make the observation,"It isn't a sin to be rich----its a sin to die rich." We all came into this world naked and we will go in much the same way.

  • 2 votes
#4.2 - Wed Nov 23, 2011 11:25 AM EST
cowboygrandpa

Stevie:

#4.2

Never heard that one myself.

I remember Job saying that naked he came into this world naked he would leave. That all the things of this world would not be going with him.

  • 2 votes
#4.3 - Wed Nov 23, 2011 11:28 AM EST
Stevie-445471

Grandpa

It was Rick Warren who said that it is a sin to die rich. Something to think about.

  • 2 votes
#4.4 - Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:09 PM EST
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js-445607

Great article, Cowboygrandpa. My father left me with a legacy of wisdom and that to me is much more than a pile of dough. I saw my siblings and my sibling's children ransack the homes of their parents when they died. It was as if this is all there was to that person, their spoils. I believe that the gift of being a human and the ability to help oneself and others is greater than any monetary wealth one could acquire. Happiness comes from within not from without so if the happiness you have provides you with enough joy to share you are doing just fine in my book.

  • 4 votes
Reply#5 - Tue Nov 22, 2011 5:36 PM EST
cowboygrandpa

js:

My dad taught me to work hard and support my family. It was the way he was raised. But he loved money, being brought up in the depression shaped him.

Later on when things weren't so great for him and he didn't have much I was one of the few who stuck by him, not because he had money, but because he was my dad and I love him. I learned that my brother took an autographed picture of Babe Ruth and sold it for 10grand, money that should have went to my mom to help her in her years of retirement.

I have told my cousins, friends, kids, and other people who have asked, to love the people while they are here, because money comes and goes. But once the people are gone ya can't reach out to them and hug them and tell them ya love them.

The emptiness of having only the money left never fills the empty spot, I have watched my brother and others strive for more and attain it, only to find it is never enough, while he rarely sees our mom or his family, or his nieces and grandkids. I on the otherhand while working 50-55 hours a week try to see my mom at least every other week and see my kids and grandkids and take them to church with me so we can share some time in peace.

Money doesn't buy contenetment, it only allows one to have the things one may desire. It is what one desires most that matters the most.

Peace.

  • 3 votes
#5.1 - Wed Nov 23, 2011 11:40 AM EST
js-445607

My siblings and their children became very discontent over their greed and quest to one up one another. They are not happy people and live miserable lives.

I was a single mom for most of my children's lives and we had a very tight budget. We took walking adventures, hit the library a lot, danced, sang, cooked together, shopped together and spent quality time just doing what families do, love each other. They are all adults now and remember a wonderful childhood so money certainly wasn't a major factor for fun and family.

My father also told me that if I wasn't having fun in whatever I was doing in life I wasn't doing it right. When others would complain about their jobs or whatever I was amazed that they didn't have the ability to make what they were doing fun.

I had to clean up kitty barf this morning and instead of being irritated, kitty and me had a talk about how he was feeling after his purge. He told me he was feeling "right fine".

  • 5 votes
#5.2 - Wed Nov 23, 2011 1:00 PM EST
cowboygrandpa

js:

Sounds like you have a good outlook on life.

Fr. sent

  • 4 votes
#5.3 - Wed Nov 23, 2011 1:07 PM EST
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KElane

What I don't understand is how people can love the money and the things it can buy more than a living being. It seems to me they are placing the value of money above the value of a life !!! The value of money fluctuates, and rises and falls based upon many factors. The value of life is an absolute in my book.

I have to agree. We have the ability to feed every person on this earth but greed [most guaranteed] keeps the hungry, hungry. Christians are admonished repeatedly to feed the hungry; care for the fatherless boy and widows. The Israelites were condemned for not doing this [and other things, too, but this was included]. Notice one of the scriptures. It's in Jeremiah 5:28. Jeremiah condemned the Israelites for not abiding to the law saying: They have grown fat; they have become shiny. They have also overflowed with bad things. No legal case have they pleaded, even the legal case of the fatherless boy, that they may gain success and the judgment of the poor ones they have not taken up.

John, also, said concerning the new Christian congregation: But whoever has this world's means for supporting life and beholds his brother having need and yet shuts the door of his tender compassions upon him, in what way does the love of God remain in him. [1 John 3:17]

I would think a Christian would be under obligation to help the hungry. ;-))

  • 3 votes
Reply#6 - Thu Nov 24, 2011 2:30 PM EST
Joe-1680982

Cowboy Grandpa:

“What I don't understand is how people can love the money and the things it can buy more than a living being. ...placing the value of money above the value of a life !!!”

I know exactly what you mean, Grandpa. Years ago, I read a paperback authored by none other than J. Paul Getty himself titled, How to be Rich. It wasn’t what I’d expected from someone of his stature, as it were, especially since the book was maybe a half-inch thick, if that. Intrigued, I bought it and sure enough, the title was a metaphor. The book was not about some secret of how to acquire financial riches (money); it was about how true riches begin in oneself through learning in an objective manner; about not being afraid to give up hide-bound beliefs when truth is revealed; to enrich yourself with travel, especially to foreign lands and experiencing their cultures; to better yourself through others as it is the true meaning of being rich.

In my travels in the Air Force, I have acquired many of these riches that J. Paul Getty alluded to. Some of them, to be sure, were ‘material’ but still priceless because of their uniqueness. I have hiked the Black Forrest within the Eiffel Mountains of Germany and seen up close the windmills of Amsterdam, Holland. I have celebrated New Years by the Arc d’Triomphe on the Champs Elysée in Paris, France and visited its world-famous Louvre, Museum. I have stood next to the Great Pyramid of Giza and the Sphinx in Cairo, Egypt. I have swum in the waters of Hawaii and Guam and Puerto Rico. And I have flown over Meteor Crater, Arizona as well as Ayers Rock, Australia and Mt. St. Helens, Washington.

Other experiences were of a more personal, meaningful nature, more in line with your article which money also cannot buy. I have ‘broken bread’ with the Italians in Sardinia, Italy and the Japanese in Okinawa, Japan. I have raised my glass with the English in Cambridge, England and the ‘Aussies’ in Sydney, Australia. Likewise, I have also mingled afterhours socially with the ‘locals’ from Zaragoza, Spain to Angeles City, Philippines (before it was buried by the Mt. Pinatubo volcano).

Obviously, not everyone can afford to travel as I have done and truth be told, had it not been on Uncle Sam’s dime, I couldn’t have either. But you don’t necessarily have to go overseas either to be ‘rich’ in this manner. From the Giant Redwood Forest of California to the beaches of Miami, Florida; from the Black Hills of South Dakota to the French Quarter of New Orleans, there are plenty of places here to go to visit and mingle with the locals to become ‘rich’ because, as you state, it is the ‘connection’ that is made with others that money can’t buy that becomes the sum of a persons true character and the source of real riches.

I know none of this pays the rent but neither can it be dismissed as irrelevant or obsolete to our national well-being as many have been trying to promote in recent years.

I have consistently maintained that the 80’s were a transformative and transitional decade for this country. Greed and Gluttony (read-‘conspicuous consumption’) was not only made fashionable, but the acquisition of money by any means and at whatever cost to others was ‘re-packaged’ and promoted as necessary for economic prosperity and a sign of a persons ‘true’ worth while empathy for the less advantaged was and is still denigrated as a sign of weakness. Too many people, then and now, have listened to the Piper and the result is what we are today. What was once remembered by many, both here and abroad, as an honorable, magnanimous country whose word could be trusted practically implicitly has given way to a deserved image of one to distrust and be suspicious of as unbridled selfishness, deviousness and the desire to accumulate ‘things’ has increasingly crept into the national social fabric of our society.

Being rich is not necessarily about the places you’ve been, the number of ‘things’ you posses and certainly not about the amount of money in your pocket but about the depth of empathy and humanity in your heart towards others. This is the real legacy that needs to be passed down generationally as opposed to the worship of the dollar sign that is consistently being promoted today.

There was a time, not that long ago, when the fate of one of us was the concern of many.

Not anymore.

We need to bring this back or it’s all over folks.

The Fat Lady is ready to sing.

Great article, Grandpa, keep ‘em coming.

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