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Liberalism, Conservatism, Communism, Fascism, Capitalism, Socialism none of them are the answer

Sun Jan 8, 2012 1:13 PM EST
religion, capitalism, fascism, conservatism, liberalism, commmunism, none-of-them-are-the-answer
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As I continue to grow in Christ I see more and more of Him and less and less of the old me.  I'm so very thankful for that, I have no doubt about God's Love and His ability to change a persons life for the better.  I remember being like many of the "conservatives" whose comments and articles I read.  Convinced that my behavior and religious/political beliefs were going to save me, that Christ somehow needed my help to do what needed to be done.  I have come to know Him personally instead of just as the literary figure in The Holy Bible. 

I think many people believe that Jesus Christ is who He says He is.  I also think that they believe all they have to do is believe it for them to be saved.  This may upset some people but even the demons believed He is the Son of God, they said so, and begged Him not to send them to their place before their time.  Jesus Christ said unless one is born again in Him we cannot come to The Father, that He alone is The Way.  Not Him and works of the flesh to earn salvation, for Salvation was given by God through His Son Jesus Christ on The Cross.  Not Him and other beliefs that make Him less than God and make others who were spoken into being by Him able to do what only He is able to do. 

In Matthew 22:34-40  Jesus Christ is asked by the Pharisees which is the great commandment- they were trying to test Him- and He answers with answer that says what we must do in order to follow Him.

34 But when the Pharisees heard that He had silenced the Sadducees, they gathered together. 35 Then one of them, a lawyer, asked Him a question, testing Him, and saying, 36 "Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?" 37 Jesus said to him, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. 40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

Lets explore the commandments given by Jesus Christ and see how we come to Him through them.  First, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.  If we love the Lord our God as Jesus Christ commands us we automatically love Him, for He is The Son in the Triunity of God, we will then also love The Holy Spirit and be aware of the leading of The Holy Spirit, We will love The Father for He sent His Son for our redemption.  We will know that we are loved by Him and will accept- desire Him above all else- for we know that He is our GOD. 

 We will bow down to Him alone and not be swayed by the things of this world.  We will understand that His Way is the only way to life with Him and that life without  Him is not life at all.  It is a series of events that lead to our death.  Our hearts, our souls, our minds are fixed on Him and what He wants for us, is what we want from Him, eternal life with Him in His perfection not our fallen state of corruption.   We don't achieve that by seeking the riches of this world while ignoring the plights of our neighbors.  We don't do that by giving in to the desires of the flesh and making others our slaves for our gain.  We don't do that by killing others to take what is given to them by God our Father- their lives and opportunities to serve Him- so that we try to force them to bow to our beliefs instead of theirs.

 

We do this by the second commandment:  You shall love your neighbor as you love yourselves. 

Which of us wishes for our neighbor to force us to believe as they do ??  Which of us wishes for our neighbor to destroy the land and water for their gain ??  Which of us wishes to make our neighbor more poor and needy for our personal gain ?? Which of us wishes to enslave our neighbors for labor we do not wish to perform ourselves in order for us to have an easy life while they suffer ??  Who among us wishes to be more concerned with our neighbors sexual activity instead of taking care to be respectful in your own sexual deeds ??  Who among us covets what their neighbor has, whether it be more money, a new car, a beautiful wife, a better job, a fancy home, fame, ... ??

Are these the acts of loving our neighbor as we love ourselves ??  Certainly not.  But why is it important to love our neighbors as we love ourselves ??  Because they to are the Created beings of God and He loves them just as He loves us.  Jesus Christ died for them just as He died for us.  So we are not serving God if we mistreat and make His Creation less in our eyes than they are in His.

Don't be a conservative with your love, while liberal with your judgement and love only those whom you approve of, you are not God.  Be liberal with your love and conservative with your judgement.   Remember that God judges all those outside of the Church, not us.  We love people and bring His fruit of love and forgiveness.  Those in the Church are held responsible by their brothers and are loving guided in Christs Way, not beaten up with The Bible which is the word of God- not our word, but His Word- and is able to rightly divide right from wrong.

 

Loving our neighbor means allowing them to see the love of God work through us.  It doesn't mean enabling them to be lazy and not work, nor does it mean taking advantage of them to make them work for less than is needed to live.  Loving our neighbor isn't just loving your next door neighbor.  In the world today we are all neighbors because the world has become accessible within hours instead of days months or years.  So we cannot allow our neighbors to die while we have plenty, nor can we allow any religion to stop people from being free to believe as they will.  Whether they be Christianity, Catholicism, Jewish, Muslin, Hindu, ... Our neighbors have the right to believe as they will just as we do.

Conservatism, liberalism, communism, fascism, capitalism, socialism ... none of them are the answer.  Because they address the symptoms and not the problems, by addressing only the symptons they create more problems.  The answer is loving God and our neighbors in that order.  We haven't and the world is becoming worse by the day.

 

This is shared in His Love and is not meant to condemn.  It is to allow people to see His Way and to think about why we continue to fail by doing it our way.

 

As always your comments and thoughts are welcome, if we disagree that is fine.  Please just be respectful of your fellow Viners.

 

 

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cowboygrandpa

I'm leaving to attend the gathering of the believers my wife and I attend. I'll be home later after taking my mom to lunch after church.

I'm really tired of the politicians from the right and left throwing God's name around when so very few Honor His Name and Way.

  • 4 votes
Reply#1 - Sun Jan 8, 2012 1:17 PM EST
storyartist

Well, cowboy, I'll go first, but only to say that no matter what religion, our world would benefit from listening to your relationship to your religion in separating your religion from your politics. And yes, if we used our religion for our souls, for becoming better people on the inside, and using politics for how to get along with each other, to be better people on the outside, we'd not be having so much short-circuit problems and static as we are today.

Conservatism, liberalism, communism, fascism, capitalism, socialism ... none of them are the answer. Because they address the symptoms and not the problems, by addressing only the symptons they create more problems.

That's what political and economical systems are designed to do -- target the symptoms, not the root. Religious structure is designed for inner use as people -- political/social designed for outer use as community.

But your message coincides with one deep in my causes as well, one that addresses spiritual bankruptcy as the root problem in our society. For as long as we reach for things to fill the empty hole -- whether it's drug/alcohol/sugar/shopping/jobs/gambling/financial/awards/voyeuristic entertainment/politics (all the things we consume as consumers) -- the consumption will escalate until it consumes us in the end. Yes, I'm with you, that the problem isn't the things we reach for, but that we are reaching for consumable things which can't possible ever satisfy us.

You're a good man, cowboygrandpa.

  • 4 votes
Reply#2 - Sun Jan 8, 2012 2:32 PM EST
cowboygrandpa

storyartist:

Thanks.

The pastor today read out of the Book of James. James is one of my favorite books, because he grew up the 1/2 brother of Jesus Christ and did not believe in Him as the Son of God until Jesus Christ had died on the cross and been resurrected. It just shows that one could be around Christ from a child and not recognize who He is.

James speaks of trials in ones life and the maturation process it can have. I say amen to that.

I've taken a long time to learn as little as I have learned, but it has been proven through the things in life that can make or break a person. I thank God for all that I have been through as well as all the good things in my life.

storyartist, you sound as if you have it together as well. It is a pleasure to call you friend.

  • 2 votes
#2.1 - Sun Jan 8, 2012 6:17 PM EST
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ndeepnow

Well when you figure out how to get everyone to believe in GOD / JESUS let me know, because the bible says you can't. If you can't get them to love Jesus then they will never love their neighbor.

    #3 - Sun Jan 8, 2012 3:11 PM EST
    Lynne from IL

    Perhaps as neighbors if we (believers in Christ) would live reflecting the love of Jesus they'd be more apt to "hear". The messaging being heard throughout this political process has been fraught with condemnation and certainly devoid of the love of Jesus.

    • 2 votes
    #3.1 - Sun Jan 8, 2012 6:12 PM EST
    cowboygrandpa

    ndeepnow:

    We can't worry about those who will not come to Christ, because we cannot bring them to Him anyway. The Holy Spirit is the One who brings them to Christ, then they make the choice as to whether accept Him or wait, or reject Him.

    We may be the workers God uses to spread His seed-word- but we are just the workers. He is the King. I'm good with that. I want people to come to God, but it has to be of their free will or it means nothing.

    But whether they claim God or not I still love them as my neighbors, not because they are worthy of it, but because He is worthy of it and commands us to. I'm His slave of my own free will. So I serve Him, He doesn't serve me.

    • 1 vote
    #3.2 - Sun Jan 8, 2012 6:24 PM EST
    ndeepnow

    Cowboy I had so much to say, but you are RIGHT. LOVE thy GOD Jesus with all your heart and LOVE thy NEIGHBOR as YOURSELF.

    May the Lord Jesus Christ Bless You Cowboy.

    • 1 vote
    #3.3 - Mon Jan 9, 2012 9:24 AM EST
    Grisham

    If you can't get them to love Jesus then they will never love their neighbor.

    That's an ignorant thing to say. So if I don't believe in Jesus I'm incapable of loving my neighbor?

    I don't think so. I can be every bit as compassionate and loving as you, ndeepnow.

    • 4 votes
    #3.4 - Mon Jan 9, 2012 11:10 AM EST
    Andrew331978

    Cowboy I had so much to say, but you are RIGHT. LOVE thy GOD Jesus with all your heart and LOVE thy NEIGHBOR as YOURSELF.

    You gotta love this coming from the same guy that says rape, murder and slavery are great because they are commanded by God himself. I just bet you'd show your love to your neighbor by raping her or her kid.

    Don't even think you can compare to cowboygrandpa. He is a true Christian or rather a Wayist. You.... there are not bad enough words to describe you but the evil in your posts says it all.

    • 2 votes
    #3.5 - Mon Jan 9, 2012 11:58 AM EST
    ndeepnow

    Grisham -- Jesus says you are a sinner. Matter of fact he says the imagination of mans heart is evil from their youth.

    Accepting Jesus into your life is a matter of the heart. If you can't accept Jesus then to me you really have no heart. So with out a heart can you really love?

    Are is it just actions. what / how you believe you should behave?

      #3.6 - Mon Jan 9, 2012 1:02 PM EST
      cowboygrandpa

      ndeepnow:

      How can you bless God in one post and curse His Creation in another ?? Why would you attack Grisham and say he has no heart after just saying the Lord should bless me ??

      I realize you may be angry that people do not see things your way. I went through that period as well. Then I realized that my anger was a prideful thing. I was angry because I thought that I had all the answers and no-one listened to me. I call those my teenage years in Christ where I thought I knew it all and people should just listen to me. ;~)) ;~))

      I was growing, but I thought I knew far more than I did and thought it was all about me receiving the recognition for it. The whole time it was God growing me to where I would be useful for the tasks He would assign me later.

      If I could counsel you it would be to allow Christ to be pre-eminent in your life and to allow His Love to be shown. We are no where near being as Loving as Him, so I'd rather submit myself unto Him and allow Him to be seen in my walk with Him. He receives the glory and honor as is due Him. I'm just doing what I'm supposed to do for Him as His willing slave. Should I receive glory for just doing my duty ?? No.

      But He should receive glory for His work.

      As I said in the beginning of the article as I continue to grow in Christ I see more and more of Him and and less and less of the old me and I'm very thankful to Him for that.

      Live in His peace. Don't attack fellow Viners.

      • 2 votes
      #3.7 - Mon Jan 9, 2012 1:12 PM EST
      cowboygrandpa

      Everybody please refrain from personal attacks.

      If you disagree that is fine say so without condemning the other person as being less than you.

      We are all God's Creation in my view and as such deserve to be treated as such. I may not agree with everybody but it is not my place to restrict their beliefs nor is their place to restrict mine or anybody elses.

      • 3 votes
      #3.8 - Mon Jan 9, 2012 1:24 PM EST
      Andrew331978

      We are all God's Creation in my view and as such deserve to be treated as such. I may not agree with everybody but it is not my place to restrict their beliefs nor is their place to restrict mine or anybody elses.

      I'm sorry grampa. I respect your point of view but I do not share it when a certain poster basically says that raping my 5 yr old boy would be an act of love and that your God would approve.

      • 2 votes
      #3.9 - Mon Jan 9, 2012 1:28 PM EST
      ndeepnow

      Cowboy not trying to be mean. just honest. when did that become a SIN. Now I pray Grisham does find the Lord. I pray that he opens his heart and ask Jesus in.

      I have all the love in the world for Grisham. If he was about to fall off a cliff I would tell him. The bible says the Jesus died for you when you were his enemy. So if you haven't accept Jesus what are you? Jesus says anyone that comes with any other teaching beside this one don't even allow him in your house.

      See again I had plenty to say, but I tried to leave it alone.

        #3.10 - Mon Jan 9, 2012 1:40 PM EST
        cowboygrandpa

        Grisham:

        I've found you to be a reasonable and compassionate person. Many people who do not believe in Christ as the Son of God are compassionate, some even more so than some who claim a belief in Christ.

        We post on each others articles and though you may not agree with my beliefs you've been respectful of my right to have them and I appreciate that. I think I've returned the same type of respect to you.

        There have been those on some of your articles that have attacked me and I could really care less because I expect to be attacked. If they hate Him how will they not hate me, for they hated Him first and He is greater than me.

        Let me take this moment to apologize for the attack against your not having a heart. I know you do and I apologize for the person who says they represent Christ and then says that to you.

        The poster does not realize that Jesus Christ says none of knows the wickedness of our own hearts, that includes we who are in Christ when we allow the flesh to rule over our emotions. Please do not think all Christians judge those who are not in Christ as worse than them. We are no better than anyone else and in some cases we are much worse. We can get hurt and say hateful things just as everyone else does. Those who are truly in Christ repent and turn from those ways one day, because we do more harm than good.

        I would like to say we of His Way are above the petty things in this world, but alas while on this earth we are subject to the same anger, hurt and emotions. The difference is some of us continue to grow and allow Christ to change us into His and we are more easily able to reject the things of this earth for the glory of Him.

        The book of James is good for teaching that.

        • 2 votes
        #3.11 - Mon Jan 9, 2012 1:43 PM EST
        ndeepnow

        Yeah What ever. You just said

        Jesus Christ says none of knows the wickedness of our own hearts

        So now Grisham has a GOOD HEART. Maybe if you look at the wicked in your heart then you will understand Grisham.

        See I look into mine. I'm a evil sinner. I make no bones about it. I know who I am. If it's not by the grace of GOD I will not make it to heaven. I have done a lot of wrong in my life and I still do it now that I'm a believer.

        So blow that smoke somewhere else because I quit smoking 3 1/2 years ago.

          #3.12 - Mon Jan 9, 2012 1:57 PM EST
          Andrew331978

          See I look into mine. I'm a evil sinner. I make no bones about it. I know who I am. If it's not by the grace of GOD I will not make it to heaven. I have done a lot of wrong in my life and I still do it now that I'm a believer.

          Any person with a brain knows that about you. At least you admit it now. That gives me a sliver of hope for you but it doesn't absolve you of your thoughts on things like rape, murder and slavery.

          • 3 votes
          #3.13 - Mon Jan 9, 2012 2:04 PM EST
          cowboygrandpa

          Andrew:

          #3.9

          We are all God's Creation in my view and as such deserve to be treated as such. I may not agree with everybody but it is not my place to restrict their beliefs nor is their place to restrict mine or anybody elses.

          I'm sorry grampa. I respect your point of view but I do not share it when a certain poster basically says that raping my 5 yr old boy would be an act of love and that your God would approve.

          That is not something God approves of at all !!! Jesus Christ said do not forbid the children to come to Him.

          Children are our hope of the future and to show them that hatred, violence, rape, murder are what God teaches is a lie and is why we are in so much trouble in this world.

          I'm always dismayed when I think of people harming children. I saw it over in Nam, when children were made to carry bombs in their shoe shine kits and blow up as many grunts as they could. It made many wary of the kids.

          It wasn't the kid's fault that hell was brought upon them it was the freaking governments who thought wars solved problems !!!

          That is the very opposite of what loving our neighbors is.

          I'm sorry anyone would actually think it is okay to rape women and children and then claim to be in Christ.

          I don't blame you one bit for your anger and disgust. Report it next time, posts like that are hate filled rhetoric that do not belong on this site.

          • 2 votes
          #3.14 - Mon Jan 9, 2012 2:07 PM EST
          Andrew331978

          I'm sorry anyone would actually think it is okay to rape women and children and then claim to be in Christ.

          Well the guy you have just been arguing with over Grisham is the one that has posted that poison on other seeds and he even quotes the Bible to justify it.

          • 2 votes
          #3.15 - Mon Jan 9, 2012 2:10 PM EST
          ndeepnow

          What post?

            #3.16 - Mon Jan 9, 2012 2:15 PM EST
            Andrew331978

            From ndeepnow's posts around the vine celebrating rape, slavery and murder as long as it's by Christians.

            Exodus 21:1-4 "If thou buy an Hebrew servant, six years he shall serve: and in the seventh he shall go out free for nothing. If he came in by himself, he shall go out by himself: if he were married, then his wife shall go out with him. If his master have given him a wife, and she have born him sons or daughters; the wife and her children shall be her master's, and he shall go out by himself."

            Exodus 21:20-21 "And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished. Notwithstanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his money."

            Deuteronomy 21:10-14 "When thou goest forth to war against thine enemies, and the Lord thy God hath delivered them into thine hands, and thou hast taken them captive, And seest among the captives a beautiful woman, and hast a desire unto her, that thou wouldest have her to thy wife; Then thou shalt bring her home to thine house; and she shall shave her head, and pare her nails; And she shall put the raiment of her captivity from off her, and shall remain in thine house, and bewail her father and her mother a full month: and after that thou shalt go in unto her, and be her husband, and she shall be thy wife. And it shall be, if thou have no delight in her, then thou shalt let her go whither she will; but thou shalt not sell her at all for money, thou shalt not make merchandise of her, because thou hast humbled her."

            This was my response and below another poster's response to this:

            Wow! So slavery, murder, rape, as long as it's done by Christians is "fair" to you?

            I wouldn't let my 5 yr old kid so much as come near you so that you rape him in the name of your God and call it holy.

            And if you and me ever met, well, let's just say if you even came near me, there would be no you anymore. No wonder there's so many sickos in the world.

            Just WOW!

            katrix

            That's a pretty despicable mindset - you actually admit that slavery and mass murder and rape seem fair to you. I guess that tells us everything we need to know about your morals (or lack thereof, to be precise).

            Another perfect of example why we can't let fundamentalists put their religion into our laws - if it were up to people like ndeep, rape and slavery would be not only legal, but condoned. Oh, but you'd let your slave mourn for her parents, whom you killed, for a full month before you rape her - how kind of you!

            Just ... wow. (heh, Andrew - we cross posted - and still came up with the same phrase here).

            Then he goes on to say this which shows what a racist he is especially because the one that got us into war was Bush, not Obama.

            Jacob sold himself into slavery for a woman's hand. Slavery here in the states was okat first and then it become a bad thing. A Black man owned the first legal slave in America. Did you knwo that?

            It is how life was. So to be let go in 7 years sounds really cool to me.

            If you killed your slave then you were to be punished. Is that not the law.

            War .. we are still waging today. Maybe you should get on Obama and not ndeepnow. Just saying.

            Then skydog has this to say...

            ndeep.

            /s/ /s/ /s/ /s/ /s/ /s/

            here's a bag of sarcasm tags. feel free to use them to get out of a jam.

            You really have to be pulling our legs. If I'm reading you postings as you intended, I am indeed shocked that someone can freely express those opinions without shame.

            And ndeepnow replies with this little gem...

            Just pointing to FACTS. I know that scares you.

            katrix replied with this... a sentiment with which I fully agree with...

            What scares me is that you think rape, mass murder, and slavery are just fine, and that you're proud of thinking that way.

            • 2 votes
            #3.17 - Mon Jan 9, 2012 2:37 PM EST
            Andrew331978

            Now watch how he will try to deny he wrote this....

            • 2 votes
            #3.18 - Mon Jan 9, 2012 2:37 PM EST
            cowboygrandpa

            Wow.

            I wonder if he reads the part about God prefering mercy to sacrifice.

            I wonder if he reads the part about the Grace of God instead of trying to follow the law of God for if one law is broken then they are all broken.

            I also wonder if he thinks the Muslims who believe in parts of the Old Testament as well believe that means they are righteous when they do that.

            Here is one for all those who think in terms of the Old Testament. When the law an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth, a life for a life is enforced as being righteous and justice as far as God is concerned. What will the cost be to all of those Christians who sought justice over mercy ??

            I seek mercy in His Grace. I offer mercy to those who ask for it. I pray for His wisdom to know to seek Him instead of mans understanding.

            • 2 votes
            #3.19 - Mon Jan 9, 2012 2:56 PM EST
            Andrew331978

            @cowboygrampa

            I told you my friend, this guy deserves no quarter given.

            See, you I can admire. You follow the true Jesus's teachings and for me being not Christian, I can respect that. Even Ghandi said he liked Christ, he just didn't like Christians and that was something he said to the British who were oppressing his people.

            This guy on the other hand deserves every kind of evil that comes his way because he is evil incarnate. I despise people like him.

            • 3 votes
            #3.20 - Mon Jan 9, 2012 3:02 PM EST
            cowboygrandpa

            One other thing before I go to work.

            Jesus Christ suffered greatly and died so that we could have everlasting Life in Him. Do you really think He wants us to treat others as if they were pieces of meat for our consumption ??

            We are given the opportunity to bring His light into this dark world, not by war and hatred but by love and patience through Him.

            • 2 votes
            #3.21 - Mon Jan 9, 2012 3:14 PM EST
            ndeepnow

            Cowboy what a good christian you are. To condemn me without my side. Glad to know I'm Innocent until prove guilty in your court room.

            Can I get a link to that POST PLEASE.

              #3.22 - Mon Jan 9, 2012 3:34 PM EST
              Andrew331978

              Can I get a link to that POST PLEASE.

              You think I'm gonna post a link to another post here so you can get me banned? How stupid do you think I am? You wrote it, go find it yourself. If it helps, look in my or your comments from December. It's all there.

              • 3 votes
              #3.23 - Mon Jan 9, 2012 3:38 PM EST
              Grisham

              There have been those on some of your articles that have attacked me and I could really care less because I expect to be attacked. If they hate Him how will they not hate me, for they hated Him first and He is greater than me.

              Let me take this moment to apologize for the attack against your not having a heart. I know you do and I apologize for the person who says they represent Christ and then says that to you.

              Thanks, CG. I'd like to do the same. I've always respected your views and the person behind them, even if I don't agree with them. I'm glad we're Vine friends. :)

              I'm sorry if you feel attacked on any of my articles. I always look forward to your posts.

              • 2 votes
              #3.24 - Mon Jan 9, 2012 4:40 PM EST
              Lynne from IL

              ndeepnow - I've read through this thread and absolutely, in the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, call you out. If you are in fact my brother in Christ, please accept this rebuke from your sister. By blatantly and unabashedly calling someone a sinner do you honestly believe your words would have them seek salvation through Christ? Is God glorified and exhaulted by your words? NO! We are to share our faith in love, our lives are to be a testimony to the grace and mercy of God.

              Grisham and Cowboy have always been respectful in their views and I greatly admire the fact they, along with myself, are able to have dialogue without vilifying each other.

              Do you have a personal testimony? Share it, but please spare everyone personal attacks. They're not Godly.

              • 4 votes
              #3.25 - Mon Jan 9, 2012 11:10 PM EST
              Andrew331978

              I have to say that seeing Christians call this guy out restores my faith in them somewhat. It seems not every Christian is as blind to the evils perpetrated in Christianity's name as it may seem from the outside.

              Thanks Lynn and CG.

              • 3 votes
              #3.26 - Mon Jan 9, 2012 11:16 PM EST
              Grisham

              I have to say that seeing Christians call this guy out restores my faith in them somewhat.

              Same. Ndeep rarely listens to us (as in skeptics) so maybe he'll listen to his fellow Christians.

              Whatever the case, thank you Lynne. I appreciate your words.

              Peace. :)

              • 5 votes
              #3.27 - Tue Jan 10, 2012 12:45 AM EST
              cowboygrandpa

              ndeepnow:

              I have examples of your comments on my articles. I have tried to warn and guide you before, and I know you get self righteous and think you understand what you are doing.

              I have no doubt you posted the remarks, it is your style to attack people and think you are in the right because you are using quotes from the Bible. I really hope you grow up soon, because all the sorrow you bring to others in His Name is costing you more than it is hurting them.

              • 3 votes
              #3.28 - Tue Jan 10, 2012 2:42 AM EST
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              ERich-356044

              I like how you think Cowboy!!!

              :)

              • 1 vote
              Reply#4 - Sun Jan 8, 2012 6:23 PM EST
              cowboygrandpa

              Thanks my friend.

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              #4.1 - Sun Jan 8, 2012 6:25 PM EST
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              Baron von Steuben

              God is a concept of man, just as the very political concepts you are deriding. God is no more the answer than any of those politics are.

                Reply#5 - Sun Jan 8, 2012 6:56 PM EST
                cowboygrandpa

                Baron:

                You are welcome to your beliefs.

                The politics of man have been deadly since man has kept records. Man has also fought over religion as men think they can be gods.

                Everything else man does fails because man doesn't listen to God and love his neighbors as he loves himself. If you don't think man is a failure, why is this earth being destroyed by the things "intelligent" men do ??

                But you are welcome to not believe it.

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                #5.1 - Sun Jan 8, 2012 7:02 PM EST
                Baron von Steuben

                I understand what you're saying about men's ideas failing often. So why would god be any more effective, since god is a creation of man as well?

                  #5.2 - Sun Jan 8, 2012 7:06 PM EST
                  cowboygrandpa

                  Because man didn't create God. God created man.

                  Man just has a problem with accepting His authority. :~)) :~))

                  • 1 vote
                  #5.3 - Sun Jan 8, 2012 7:32 PM EST
                  Baron von Steuben

                  Because the very structure of the bible and rules are designed specifically to time and area specific issues. No, it is man who created god, every god that we have created. God cannot be the answer any more than any other man-made construct.

                    #5.4 - Sun Jan 8, 2012 7:38 PM EST
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                    barry-barry-libcon

                    @Cowboygrandpa: Your thoughts and ideals are heartening.

                    But, please be aware that the Money Changers are building an Oligarchy on the foundation of citizen pessimism. Look beyond the untruths masked as truth.

                    • 1 vote
                    Reply#6 - Sun Jan 8, 2012 9:15 PM EST
                    Grisham

                    Interesting article but I don't think it's as simplistic as loving God will equal paradise on Earth. In fact, the places that tend to put God above everything else are some of the worst hell holes on Earth.

                    • 2 votes
                    Reply#7 - Mon Jan 9, 2012 11:12 AM EST
                    cowboygrandpa

                    Grisham:

                    Loving God won't equal paradise on earth, for not everyone will love Him. Those places don't put God above everything else, they put their "god" above everything else.

                    How can one say they put God above everything else and then say that people have to die in a war because they don't believe in the same God. If one places God above everything else then we know God will prevail.

                    If one truly places God above everything else then all that matters is doing what He says, not what our emotions or lusts tell us to. We overcome the desire to better than others because we are not better. We may be blessed with different gifts but none are better than others-in that we all die- and all answer to God one way or another.

                    Just the way I see it.

                    • 1 vote
                    #7.1 - Mon Jan 9, 2012 2:17 PM EST
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                    wellhungover

                    I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature.....Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burned, tortured, fined and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion?To make half the world fools and half hypocrites; to support roguery and error all over the world......Thomas Jefferson

                    This doesn't apply to only Christianity, all religions fall into the same category. In moderation, I have no problem with religion. What I do have a problem with is that in every religion there gets to be too many people who believe so strongly in their own interpretation of God and what they perceive his will to be; they start to push that religion, try to ostracise those who believe differently, and will even go to war with those who don't follow in lockstep. Reasoning and rationality disappear, being replaced with blind obedience to the Bible, Koran Rigveda, whichever book their individual religion decrees to be absolutely infallible.

                    Religion does not promote loving your neighbor, it inhibits it.

                      Reply#8 - Mon Jan 9, 2012 12:58 PM EST
                      Neetu M.

                      I think you have a major point there!

                        #8.1 - Thu Jan 12, 2012 10:04 AM EST
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                        Neetu M.

                        Guilt and sin appear to be at the heart of Christianity to me. It cannot be positive, it cannot make mankind's lot better if the heart of the matter is so negative.

                          Reply#9 - Thu Jan 12, 2012 10:02 AM EST
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