Here we go again. The religious right wingers lie about president Obama and try to claim it is about Christianity. They are somehow trying to use the Arab Spring against president Obama in their bible talks as if he initiated it. Now I can understand what they are saying as far as the prophecies of Ezekiel and what is happening in northern Sudan and and in Syria. But to blame president Obama for something that was started way back in the '80s under the Reagan administration is really trying to over reach here.
Here is a link:
http://www.greenleft.org.au/node/24198
From the link:
How the CIA created Osama bin Laden
Wednesday, September 19, 2001BY NORM DIXON
"Throughout the world ... its agents, client states and satellites are on the defensive — on the moral defensive, the intellectual defensive, and the political and economic defensive. Freedom movements arise and assert themselves. They're doing so on almost every continent populated by man — in the hills of Afghanistan, in Angola, in Kampuchea, in Central America ... [They are] freedom fighters."
Is this a call to jihad (holy war) taken from one of Islamic fundamentalist Osama bin Laden's notorious fatwas? Or perhaps a communique issued by the repressive Taliban regime in Kabul?
In fact, this glowing praise of the murderous exploits of today's supporters of arch-terrorist bin Laden and his Taliban collaborators, and their holy war against the "evil empire", was issued by US President Ronald Reagan on March 8, 1985. The "evil empire" was the Soviet Union, as well as Third World movements fighting US-backed colonialism, apartheid and dictatorship.
How things change. In the aftermath of a series of terrorist atrocities — the most despicable being the mass murder of more than 6000 working people in New York and Washington on September 11 — bin Laden the "freedom fighter" is now lambasted by US leaders and the Western mass media as a "terrorist mastermind" and an "evil-doer".
Yet the US government refuses to admit its central role in creating the vicious movement that spawned bin Laden, the Taliban and Islamic fundamentalist terrorists that plague Algeria and Egypt — and perhaps the disaster that befell New York.
The mass media has also downplayed the origins of bin Laden and his toxic brand of Islamic fundamentalism.
When we look at the reasons for the shifts in the policies of these nations look no farther than the hero of the conservatives Ronnie Raygun. Yes that is meant to be disrespectful to him, because of his insane programs we are where we are today, and we have so called "conservative" pastors lying about it being president Obamas fault because he inherited the mess they made. Reagan was not a great president he was an actor who allowed corporate America to begin to strip America of its wealth and freedoms. The problems we face now are because America didn't react properly and come down hard on the insurgents. Reagan is given credit for destroying Communism in Russia. All he succeeded in doing is breaking up the USSR and taking the focus from them, allowing them to regain their financial balance. He really opened the door for them to do what they have done, which is to quietly back the people who are bringing about the unrest through the many fractured nations. How has making China a financial power helped America ?? Who do these right wing pastors think will attack Israel ?? Russia along with the Muslim nations, who took the focus off of Russia by claiming they were no longer our enemies ?? Reagan. How did that help Russia ?? They no longer had to compete with the USA in a arms race so they could develop their economy while making sure we had to fight wars and battles in other nations drawing down our economy !!!
Who turned against us ?? The very "freedom fighters" the Reagan administration funded and trained, how many wars have we been in now because of the "Raygun" decisions ?? Hmmm the middle east is full of them, and we have our hands in many of them because the "conservative" mindset is so focused on money, control and power it can't see the end cost because they believe everyone thinks like them that greed is good.
You see that is why I disagree with "conservative christian" mindset they are doing the very things that bring about the reign of the anti-Christ while claiming to serve Christ while doing it, and blaming everyone but themselves.
Oh they may say things from the Bible, but then they stray into Obama bashing instead of staying on track because if they do they must show that the policies instituted by Reagan and followed by GW Bush have indeed led to a more viscious attack on America and Israel.
What did the fools expect when we are still in Afghanistan 11 years after 9/11/01, and attacked Iraq which allowed Iran to strengthen it's power base and weakened Irans constraints.
I mean seriously if you are going to look at the Bible and discuss what is happening don't try to flavor it with a lie about conservatism being the answer. Any serious person who studies the Bible can see that God is not a conservative nor a liberal. Now I can use verses from the Bible to proof my beliefs in Christ and show they are not conservative but are liberating of any political party.
I can also show why the verses in The Bible cause me to be a Democrat instead of a Republican, based upon the free will we are given to choose on how we will live and Who we will follow.
If you really want to see what is bringing about all this terrorism look no farther than the hatred being displayed by those who continue to try and bring about the wars because it makes them money and allows them to try and be seen as the "good guys" to those who believe as they do whether on the left or right.
If you really want to see who is trying to show the light of Christ look to those who share His word and relate what He says in His Spirit not the flesh. I'm fighting a battle against the half truths spread by political preachers, who instead of the word of God want to bring about a political solution to a Spirtual problem. It can't be done by politics we already know the anti-Christ comes to power, so beware because he will come as a man of light and goodness just like so many claim to be today in the political realm.
We have already seen what the "conservatives" consider to be godly to them and I by no means accept what they believe, they have made this nation a nation that says it believes but instead worships greed.
From the Old Testament
Habakkuk 1:2-4
2 O Lord, how long shall I cry, And You will not hear?
Even cry out to You, "Violence!"
And You will not save.
3 Why do You show me iniquity,
And cause me to see trouble?
For plundering and violence are before me;
There is strife, and contention arises.
4 Therefore the law is powerless,
And justice never goes forth.
For the wicked surround the righteous;
Therefore perverse judgment proceeds.
From the Nelsons Bible study:
1:2 Habakkuk spoke to God using His covenant name Lord (see Ex. 3:14, 15). how long: This question is phrased as a formal complaint (see Ps. 13:1, 2).
1:3 The deterioration of society had become a cause of frustration and disappointment for the godly. plundering and violence: Abuse of power, acts of injustice, and oppressive deeds were common in Judah. strife . . . contention: The people of Judah argued with each other and were involved in destructive litigation. iniquity . . . trouble:
1:4 The revelation of God given at Mount Sinai had little impact on the hearts of people whose lives were focused on material success. These people had little interest in living by God's definition of what is fair and humane. wicked: God's chosen people committed and tolerated heinous acts through corruption of the courts. righteous: There were always people who were faithful to the Lord, a righteous remnant. Here the godly were restricted in what they could say and do because of the evil that surrounded them. perverse judgment: The powerful people of Israel corrupted justice. the law is powerless:
I see the conservative base with their: corporations are people, ALEC, trying to stop people from legally voting, denying people who do not believe as they do their own free choices, favoring the wealthy, threatening violence if president Obama was re-elected, the fiscal cliff to protect the very wealthy while punishing the poor and middle class, ... corruption, abuse of power, the contention against the rights of others to be free to worship Jesus Christ for Who He truly is Our Lord and Savior not some political party's idea of capitalistic god who favors them.
John 6:26-33
26 Jesus answered them and said, "Most assuredly, I say to you, you seek Me, not because you saw the signs, but because you ate of the loaves and were filled.
27 Do not labor for the food which perishes, but for the food which endures to everlasting life, which the Son of Man will give you, because God the Father has set His seal on Him."
28 Then they said to Him, "What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?"
29 Jesus answered and said to them, "This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent."30 Therefore they said to Him, "What sign will You perform then, that we may see it and believe You? What work will You do?
31 Our fathers ate the manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat."32 Then Jesus said to them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, Moses did not give you the bread from heaven, but My Father gives you the true bread from heaven.
33 For the bread of God is He who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world."
In these verses we see Jesus Christ telling the people that many seek Him because they think He will fill them with earthly things and they shall not want. But He is saying that the things in this life perish, and not to be so concerned with that. But to be concerned with what He gives which is the Bread of life. The conservatives will tell you that the things of this earth are most important.
Jesus Christ says differently. I believe Him not them. Look at verses 28 and 29. They are my life verses, because it is simple for me to understand that the works of God are to believe in Jesus Christ. Remember in 2 Thessalonians 3:10 when it says he does not work shall not eat. Think about that in reference to the work of God being belief in Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ being the Bread of life.
Don't let the conservatives or those who wish to put you under their way fool or deceive you. Read His word and ask The Holy Spirit for discernment. Don't let politics from either side blind you to Him and then you will see which way He leads you.
So when you hear a political message from the pulpit stop and remember that we in Christ serve Him first and not a political party and discern what the spirit of the messenger is. And NO I'm not saying Jesus Christ is a liberal. Because there are liberal messages that are wrong as well and I don't want them preached as Christ's word either.
Okay, I'm pretty sure this won't be popular, but then again being popular is not my intent doing His work is.
Just the way I see it, how about you ??